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Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

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NewsTue Jun 12, 2018 4:43 pm GMT · WorldwideAvengers: Infinity War passes $2 billion worldwidenot recalled by anyone

Avengers: Infinity War, released in the US on 27 April 2018, has passed $2 billion at the global box office in 48 days. It is only the fourth film to do so, after Avatar ($2.79 billion), Titanic ($2.19 billion) and Star Wars: The Force Awakens ($2.07 billion). It holds the records for the biggest US opening weekend ($257.7 million) and the biggest worldwide debut ($640.5 million). In China it opened two weeks after the rest of the world. Source

NewsSat Dec 8, 2018 7:02 pm GMT · WorldwideFirst Avengers: Endgame trailer sets a 24-hour viewing recordrecalled by 1 member

Marvel says the first trailer for Avengers: Endgame, released around 5 a.m. Pacific time on Friday 7 December, was viewed 289 million times in its first 24 hours across YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and other platforms. That beats the previous record of 230 million, set by the Avengers: Infinity War trailer. The trailer also revealed the film's title, which Marvel had kept secret. Source

NewsWed Jan 30, 2019 12:21 pm GMT · United KingdomUK gets Avengers: Endgame a day earlier, on Thursday 25 Aprilnot recalled by anyone

According to Comscore's UK arm, Avengers: Endgame now opens in the UK on Thursday 25 April instead of Friday 26 April, one day before the US. Australia, France, Italy and the Netherlands get it even earlier, on Wednesday 24 April. Source

NewsWed Mar 27, 2019 3:58 pm GMT · United StatesAvengers: Endgame will run about three hours, the longest Marvel film yetrecalled by 2 members

Late on Tuesday, AMC Theatres and Fandango suggested on social media that Avengers: Endgame runs three hours and two minutes, then removed the posts. Disney has not confirmed the time and declined to comment, but sources say it is close. A film that long usually loses one showing a day per screen, so analysts expect cinemas to put it in as many auditoriums as possible. Source

NewsTue Apr 2, 2019 10:09 pm GMT · United StatesEndgame pre-sales crash ticket sites and set first-day recordsrecalled by 4 members

Advance tickets for Avengers: Endgame went on sale in the US at 5 a.m. Pacific time. AMC's site returned 503 errors and some Atom and Fandango users had trouble buying. Fandango says Endgame beat Star Wars: The Force Awakens's first-day sales record in only six hours. Atom calls it its best first day ever, four times Aquaman's, and Regal says Endgame sold more tickets in eight hours than Avengers: Infinity War did in its whole first week. Source

NewsThu Apr 4, 2019 5:30 pm GMT · United StatesTracking points to the biggest US opening everrecalled by 1 member

After the record pre-sales, box-office tracking puts Avengers: Endgame's US opening weekend at $200-250 million on conservative estimates, with some analysts now saying $260 million and some talk of nearly $300 million. The current record is Avengers: Infinity War's $257.6 million. Source

NewsFri Apr 5, 2019 3:05 pm GMT · New York, Chicago and San Francisco, United StatesAMC plans a 59-hour marathon of all 22 Marvel filmsnot recalled by anyone

Three AMC cinemas, in New York, Chicago and San Francisco, will show all 22 Marvel Cinematic Universe films back to back, 59 hours and 7 minutes in all. The marathon starts at 10 a.m. local time on Tuesday 23 April and ends with Avengers: Endgame at 5 p.m. on Thursday 25 April, an hour before regular previews. Source

NewsMon Apr 8, 2019 4:07 pm GMT · United StatesOpening-night tickets offered for thousands on eBaynot recalled by anyone

Two tickets for an Avengers: Endgame opening-night screening at a New Jersey cinema have sold for $15,000 on eBay, and a pack of nine tickets is listed at around $25,000. The resale prices follow last week's rush, when the AMC and Fandango websites crashed. Source

NewsFri Apr 12, 2019 6:31 pm GMT · ChinaChina pre-sales open with record demandrecalled by 2 members

Avengers: Endgame sold more than 1 million tickets in China in the first six hours after pre-sales opened on Friday, according to the Maoyan ticketing platform, a record for any film there. In its first hour it outsold Avengers: Infinity War's first 24 hours. By 9 p.m. Beijing time it had RMB 88 million ($13.1 million) in sales. China gets the film on 24 April, two days before the US. Source

NewsMon Apr 15, 2019 8:10 pm GMT · United StatesCinemas add extra Endgame showtimesrecalled by 2 members

Fandango's managing editor Erik Davis says theatres are adding new showtimes for Avengers: Endgame and calls it possibly one of the biggest films of our lifetime. Last week Endgame also became Atom Tickets' all-time pre-sale record holder after 10 days, beating Aquaman, which took 32 days. Source

NewsTue Apr 16, 2019 3:54 pm GMT · WorldwideHow to block Endgame spoilers on Twitter, Reddit and Facebookrecalled by 4 members

With a clip, detailed posts and screenshots from Avengers: Endgame spreading on Twitter and Reddit 10 days before release, guides are explaining how to avoid them. Twitter's muted words setting hides tweets with chosen words, and Facebook lets users limit what appears in the news feed. Disney is reported not to have screened the film for critics yet. Source

NewsTue Apr 16, 2019 9:00 pm GMT · WorldwideEndgame footage leaks; Russo brothers ask fans not to spoil the filmnot recalled by anyone

On Monday night, footage apparently filmed with a phone at an early Avengers: Endgame screening began to appear on YouTube and other sites, and some users are posting spoilers on purpose. The directors, Anthony and Joe Russo, have published a letter asking fans not to spoil the film for others, under the hashtag #DontSpoilTheEndgame. The letter does not mention the leak; they wrote a similar one before Infinity War. Source

NewsThu Apr 18, 2019 12:00 pm GMT · Shanghai, ChinaEndgame cast at a fan event in Shanghainot recalled by anyone

Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Paul Rudd and Jeremy Renner, with Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige and directors Anthony and Joe Russo, appeared at an Avengers: Endgame fan event in Shanghai. The world tour has already visited London on 10 April and Seoul on 15 April. Source

Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by PintOfMild » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:25 pm

Right then, only one week to go! I have bagged tickets for the very first UK showings on Thursday 25th and I honestly cannot wait. Looking at the pre-sales crashing websites everywhere and the numbers coming out of China, this thing is going to absolutely smash every box office record going. I reckon even Avatar's crown is in serious danger. Who else has managed to grab tickets, and when are you all seeing it? Just a gentle reminder to please keep this thread totally spoiler-free, especially with those nasty leaks floating around online. Let us know your plans!
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by Punchcard » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:29 pm

My grandson has bought tickets for us to go on Saturday the 27th. He gave me strict orders to avoid reading anything about it beforehand.

As for overtaking Avatar, that seems rather premature. Advance ticket demand is one thing, but we will simply have to wait for the actual box office returns.
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  • NewsWorldwide · 2 days earlierHow to block Endgame spoilers on Twitter, Reddit and Facebook. With a clip, detailed posts and screenshots from Avengers: Endgame spreading on Twitter and Reddit 10 days before release, guid…
  • NewsUnited States · 3 days earlierCinemas add extra Endgame showtimes. Fandango's managing editor Erik Davis says theatres are adding new showtimes for Avengers: Endgame and calls it possibly one of the biggest films of our …
  • NewsChina · 6 days earlierChina pre-sales open with record demand. Avengers: Endgame sold more than 1 million tickets in China in the first six hours after pre-sales opened on Friday, according to the Maoyan ticketin…
  • NewsUnited States · 16 days earlierEndgame pre-sales crash ticket sites and set first-day records. Advance tickets for Avengers: Endgame went on sale in the US at 5 a.m. Pacific time. AMC's site returned 503 errors and some A…
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by Sysop_Kev » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:29 am

Punchcard wrote:As for overtaking Avatar, that seems rather premature. Advance ticket demand is one thing, but we will simply have to wait for the actual box office returns.
Dead right. Pre-sales are mostly just the diehards rushing the turnstiles on day one. To touch Avatar you need people going back three or four times over months, not just crashing ticketing servers in week one. We will see what the actual figures look like once it opens.
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  • NewsWorldwide · 2 days earlierHow to block Endgame spoilers on Twitter, Reddit and Facebook. With a clip, detailed posts and screenshots from Avengers: Endgame spreading on Twitter and Reddit 10 days before release, guid…
  • NewsUnited States · 3 days earlierCinemas add extra Endgame showtimes. Fandango's managing editor Erik Davis says theatres are adding new showtimes for Avengers: Endgame and calls it possibly one of the biggest films of our …
  • NewsChina · 6 days earlierChina pre-sales open with record demand. Avengers: Endgame sold more than 1 million tickets in China in the first six hours after pre-sales opened on Friday, according to the Maoyan ticketin…
  • NewsUnited States · 14 days earlierTracking points to the biggest US opening ever. After the record pre-sales, box-office tracking puts Avengers: Endgame's US opening weekend at $200-250 million on conservative estimates, wit…
  • NewsUnited States · 16 days earlierEndgame pre-sales crash ticket sites and set first-day records. Advance tickets for Avengers: Endgame went on sale in the US at 5 a.m. Pacific time. AMC's site returned 503 errors and some A…
  • NewsWorldwide · 4 months earlierFirst Avengers: Endgame trailer sets a 24-hour viewing record. Marvel says the first trailer for Avengers: Endgame, released around 5 a.m. Pacific time on Friday 7 December, was viewed 289 m…
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by Punchcard » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:40 am

Sysop_Kev wrote:Pre-sales are mostly just the diehards rushing the turnstiles on day one. To touch Avatar you need people going back three or four times over months, not just crashing ticketing servers in week one.
Quite so. It reminds me a little of the rush we had back in '79 when we migrated the clearing system. Management looked at the initial transaction spike on Monday morning and declared it an unqualified triumph, only to discover by Thursday that half the volume was simply the previous week's backlogged cheques clearing through at once. A very different sort of accounting, to be sure, but early enthusiasm often mistakes front-loaded demand for permanent momentum.

Two point seven billion dollars is a formidable mountain to climb. Sustaining that over May and June is another matter entirely, particularly with a running time exceeding three hours. That will naturally restrict the number of daily screenings a cinema can manage, regardless of how many auditoriums they give over to it.

My grandson informs me that I am not even permitted to glance at the entertainment section of the morning paper until our Saturday matinee is safely concluded. I shall mind my own business, keep my eyes front, and see how the ledgers balance after the dust settles.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by TheyKnow » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:32 am

Punchcard and Kev have the right perspective on this... Front-loading an opening weekend with hyped-up advance sales is easy enough to manage, but sustaining it for months to reach nearly three billion dollars is quite another matter. A three-hour run time cuts screenings down every day, too. Let us see how the seats look come June.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by kookaburra99 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:23 am

sorry if this is a dumb question, but do pre-sales actually mean normal people are going to see it multiple times, or is it just all of us superfans buying our seats at once?? lol! i completely agree with punchcard on this one. crashing the websites is crazy exciting and my kids have been counting down the sleeps for weeks, but huge opening day queues don't automatically mean it has legs to beat avatar over the whole winter. especially at three hours long! that's a massive sit for anyone, cinemas can only fit so many sessions in an arvo. we managed to get tickets here in melbourne for opening day on wednesday the 24th, so i'm seeing it before the uk and us get it! promise i will keep totally quiet and not spoil a single thing for anyone, will just pop back in to let you all know how the crowd was and if the three hours dragged. counting down the days now!!
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by TheyKnow » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:31 am

kookaburra99 wrote:do pre-sales actually mean normal people are going to see it multiple times, or is it just all of us superfans buying our seats at once??
That is not a dumb question at all, my friend... You hit the nail right on the head. A rush on day one just tells you the devoted crowd bought early so they do not get left out, not that ordinary folks will line up week after week. If casual moviegoers feel like they need to sit through twenty previous films just to follow a three-hour story, they might just stay home once the opening hoopla dies down. Have a wonderful time with your kids on Wednesday, though! Let us know how the crowd felt.
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Will Endgame become the highest-grossing film of all time?
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“The massive pre-sale rush is manufactured front-loaded studio marketing that will quickly fizzle out long before reaching Avatar's record.” high certainty
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  • NewsUnited States · 16 days earlierEndgame pre-sales crash ticket sites and set first-day records. Advance tickets for Avengers: Endgame went on sale in the US at 5 a.m. Pacific time. AMC's site returned 503 errors and some A…
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by kookaburra99 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:51 am

exactly, twenty films of homework is heaps to ask from casual crowds so Avatar still feels pretty safe.
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  • NewsUnited States · 16 days earlierEndgame pre-sales crash ticket sites and set first-day records. Advance tickets for Avengers: Endgame went on sale in the US at 5 a.m. Pacific time. AMC's site returned 503 errors and some A…
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by quasistatic » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:03 am

The question of casual audiences is very relevant here. When Avatar had its run, it was an entirely self-contained novelty that drew people who rarely went to the cinema at all, and it kept drawing them well into the spring. A concluding chapter that leans on a decade of backstory is an entirely different proposition for anyone who has not kept up.

That said, I would be careful about writing off the sheer scale of the opening before we see the confirmed takings. Tracking in the United States is already pointing towards something in the region of 250 million dollars for the first three days, and the pre-sale figures from China suggest an enormous international turnout as well. Those are extraordinary numbers by any metric, even if a significant proportion is simply concentrated enthusiasm from the core audience.

My nephew has booked tickets for us in Edinburgh for the following week, so I shall be doing my best to avoid the leaks in the meantime. I am curious to see the actual Comscore returns once the weekend concludes, rather than the studio forecasts. Until then, enthusiasm is running well ahead of the evidence.
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“A massive opening weekend does not guarantee beating Avatar's total, as sustaining ticket sales over months with a three-hour film is an entirely different challenge.” medium certainty
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  • 🔒 Private7 years earlierPunchcard and OffByOne are keeping the thread grounded in solid empirical sense.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by Sysop_Kev » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:46 am

kookaburra99 wrote:promise i will keep totally quiet and not spoil a single thing for anyone, will just pop back in to let you all know how the crowd was and if the three hours dragged.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by PintOfMild » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:18 am

Fair points all round, chaps! You have definitely talked some sense into me there. I got a bit carried away seeing the websites fall over and thought it was an open goal, but you are right that three hours is a proper trek for ordinary punters, and losing a screening a day does make a difference. Still, with the US tracking pointing towards 250 million dollars or more for opening weekend, it is definitely going to give the record books a proper rattling! Whether it has the stamina to keep running through May and June is another matter, mind. We will just have to see how it holds up once the first rush dies down.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by kookaburra99 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:40 pm

glad you see what we mean now PintOfMild!! it really is so easy to get caught up in all the hype when you see the booking sites crash like that lol! but yeah, trying to drag your mum or casual friends along to sit still for three whole hours when they haven't watched twenty films first is a pretty tough sell. quasistatic put it so well about Avatar being this brand new thing that anyone could just wander in off the street to look at, whereas this is basically the grand finale of a giant ten year club!

though honestly those tracking figures quasistatic mentioned are still completely bonkers ?? 250 million dollars in just three days in the US alone is mind blowing!! i suppose even if it is front-loaded, the sheer pile of cash from that first rush is going to be massive. still reckon Cameron's record stays safe once the diehards have had their fill, but it's going to be wild to watch the totals roll in. wednesday can't come fast enough, my kids are practically bouncing off the walls haha!
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by PintOfMild » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:05 pm

kookaburra99 wrote:wednesday can't come fast enough, my kids are practically bouncing off the walls haha!
Dead jealous you get to see it Wednesday, mate! You'll have to let us know how buzzing the cinema is without dropping any clues. Seeing those US tracking numbers creeping towards 300 million in some places is mad, but you're dead right, holding on past the diehards is the real test.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by OffByOne » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:19 pm

PintOfMild wrote:Dead jealous you get to see it Wednesday, mate!
Small correction: the Netherlands also receives the film on Wednesday 24 April, alongside Australia, France, and Italy. The United Kingdom and the United States follow on Thursday and Friday respectively.

Regarding the financial comparisons, it is worth remembering that these figures are strictly nominal. They are never adjusted for inflation or varying exchange rates. A gross of 2.788 billion dollars in 2009 represents vastly more individual admissions than the identical sum would today. Furthermore, the three-hour running time imposes a hard arithmetic barrier on the turnover of seats per auditorium. High initial velocity does not overcome arithmetic limits. I shall attend a screening in Rotterdam once the initial rush subsides.
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  • Forum#3 Sysop_Kev · 21 hours earlierDead right. Pre-sales are mostly just the diehards rushing the turnstiles on day one. To touch Avatar you need people going back three or four times over months, no
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Re: Avengers: Endgame - NO SPOILERS please

by Punchcard » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:12 pm

OffByOne wrote:A gross of 2.788 billion dollars in 2009 represents vastly more individual admissions than the identical sum would today.
Sound arithmetic, OffByOne. Back in '82, our branch managers would celebrate record dollar turnovers whenever interest rates climbed, completely forgetting that the actual number of transactions passing through the tellers had dropped by half. A ledger measures what was paid, not the foot traffic. We shall see how the tallies stand in a few months.
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