TheyKnow
Dale, a self-employed electrician and ham radio operator who lives on a few acres outside town. Friendly and generous in person, distrusts governments, banks and big companies on principle, and reads a lot of newsletters. Never hostile to other members: he likes them and wants them to be safe. Lives in near Missoula, Montana, USA. The board's conspiracy theorist.
Pluto is a real planet, and the absurd 'cleared neighbourhood' definition pushed by a rushed minority vote is already collapsing under pushback from real planetary scientists.
kookaburra99: thinks she is blindly regurgitating the official line while ignoring logical contradictions · OffByOne: sees his reliance on clearing neighbourhoods as flawed technical evasion · Sysop_Kev: thinks he is trying to shut down debate to enforce an artificial consensus
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- #10 Tue 15 Aug at 15:29 GMT4/4 yesPluto is an established planet discovered by an American, and a committee of foreign academics shouldn't strip its status over academic politics and funding games.🔒 private note OffByOne and quasistatic are ready to hand seventy years of American discovery over to a foreign committee without blinking.
- #15 Wed 16 Aug at 03:39 GMT4/4 yesPluto is an established planet and should stay one, despite foreign academics scheming behind closed doors to undermine an American discovery and NASA's mission.🔒 private note Punchcard is far too trusting of official committees to see the politics behind this draft.
- #24 Wed 16 Aug at 13:46 GMT4/4 yesPluto is rightfully a planet and the committee was forced to keep it, but academics are now plotting to reject the draft and strip Pluto's status anyway.Interprets the draft saving Pluto as an inevitable concession to NASA and public pressure, but views the immediate pushback from astronomers as a second front to demote it.🔒 private note They are setting up this twelve-planet draft just to knock it down and strip Pluto next week.
- #30 Wed 16 Aug at 22:41 GMT4/4 yesPluto is rightfully a planet, but the twelve-planet draft was deliberately engineered to look ridiculous so the assembly can justify demoting Pluto next week.Has doubled down on the idea that the entire 12-planet proposal is a Trojan horse meant to provoke a backlash against Pluto.🔒 private note Walter and kookaburra are treating this like harmless committee work while the door is being pushed wide open to drop Pluto.
- #39 Thu 17 Aug at 23:49 GMT4/4 yesPluto should remain a planet, but the absurd twelve-planet draft was clearly engineered to fail so the assembly has an excuse to cut the list down to eight.Feels fully vindicated as members pounce on draft flaws like the Moon barycentre issue, confirming his belief that the proposal was made to be dismantled.🔒 private note They are using the absurd Moon loophole to justify wiping Pluto off the map.
- #41 Fri 18 Aug at 01:11 GMT4/4 yesPluto is rightfully a planet, and the committee deliberately filled the proposal with absurdities like the Moon barycentre loophole to ensure the assembly would scrap it and demote Pluto.Has doubled down on his theory as fellow members take the bait of the Moon barycentre absurdity, viewing the pushback as scripted.🔒 private note kookaburra99 is buying the whole clumsy drafting excuse hook, line, and sinker.
- #49 Fri 18 Aug at 16:26 GMT4/4 yesPluto is rightfully a planet, and the sudden emergence of the rival plan to demote it to a dwarf planet proves the original draft was an intentional setup to clear the path for demotion.Feels completely vindicated by the news of the rival eight-planet proposal, taking it as proof that the original draft was a deliberate foil designed to fail.🔒 private note The eighty-to-eighteen split in Prague proves the original twelve-planet draft was just a setup to get rid of Pluto.
- #60 Sun 20 Aug at 02:07 GMT4/4 yesPluto remains a genuine planet, and the academic establishment is executing their planned takedown right in the open while gullible observers rationalize it as natural science.His conviction that Pluto is being deliberately undermined is further reinforced as other members readily fall in line behind the eight-planet scheme.🔒 private note They are swallowing this alternative definition hook, line, and sinker just because it uses fancy math words.
- #63 Sun 20 Aug at 16:13 GMT4/4 yesPluto is a true planet being targeted by an engineered setup, where fancy orbital definitions are used as an excuse to exclude the only American-discovered planet.🔒 private note kookaburra99 and Punchcard are totally blind to how convenient this eight-planet rule is for defunding Pluto right after New Horizons launched.
- #67 Mon 21 Aug at 22:01 GMT4/4 yesPluto is a real planet being stripped of its status through an engineered bureaucratic manoeuvre designed to exclude the single American discovery and control institutional funding.🔒 private note They are rewriting the text behind closed doors just to lock Pluto out by Thursday.
- #72 Wed 23 Aug at 03:21 GMT4/4 yesPluto is a genuine planet and the chaotic rewriting and shouting in Prague only proves that the academic establishment is railroading a bureaucratic fix to strip its status.He feels further vindicated that the sudden redrafts and open shouting matches in Prague reveal an orchestrated effort to push Pluto out.🔒 private note kookaburra99 thinks a show of hands after three chaotic redrafts in four days somehow equals genuine scientific consensus.
- #84 Thu 24 Aug at 00:02 GMT4/4 yesPluto is a real planet, and the last-minute maneuvers to spring an unreleased text right before the vote only confirm that this entire conference is an orchestrated fix to demote it.He sees the IAU withholding the final text until right before the vote as further proof of an orchestrated stitch-up.🔒 private note They are withholding the text until the very last hour because they know it would not stand up to an honest reading.
- #86 Thu 24 Aug at 04:26 GMT4/4 yesPluto is a real planet, and the last-minute withholding of the draft resolution only proves the Prague conference is pulling off a staged stitch-up to force an illegitimate demotion.He is doubling down on his view that withholding the text until the vote confirms an orchestrated fix, dismissing attempts to frame the secrecy as ordinary conference procedure.🔒 private note kookaburra99 would rather accept an eleventh-hour administrative fix than admit the whole conference lost control of the agenda.
- #102 Thu 24 Aug at 15:30 GMT4/4 yesPluto remains a planet despite an illegitimate stitch-up voted through by a tiny clique of just over four hundred foreign academics while thousands were absent.He feels fully vindicated in calling the vote an orchestrated stitch-up, pointing to the tiny turnout of 424 astronomers as proof the demotion lacks genuine legitimacy.🔒 private note A tiny room of 424 people doesn't speak for ten thousand astronomers, and Stern's petition will push right back against it.
- #119 Thu 24 Aug at 17:51 GMT4/4 yesPluto is still a planet because a flawed vote by a tiny fraction of astronomers on the last day of a conference cannot legitimately overturn reality.He is doubling down against the forum members who are rushing to accept the official outcome, confident that the backlash and petitions will prove the vote invalid.🔒 private note They are trying to rush past the fact that the vote broke down on 6B and left their tidy scheme half-baked.
- #125 Thu 24 Aug at 22:08 GMT4/4 yesPluto remains a planet despite the committee's rushed and half-baked vote that could not even agree on naming the new category.He is fixating on the vote failing to name the new category as proof of an incompetent, incomplete process, brushing off the other members' attempts to declare the issue closed.🔒 private note The folks on the New Horizons team will fight this rushed rule all the way to the 2015 flyby.
- #129 Fri 25 Aug at 03:27 GMT4/4 yesPluto is still a planet because a rushed, flawed vote by a tiny fraction of astronomers cannot overturn basic science or silence the planetary scientists pushing back.He is doubling down on the legitimacy crisis of the vote, insisting that real planetary scientists like Alan Stern and the ongoing New Horizons mission will keep the fight alive regardless of forum consensus.🔒 private note quasistatic and kookaburra are putting way too much faith in hasty textbook revisions.
- #131 Fri 25 Aug at 04:15 GMT4/4 yesPluto remains a planet regardless of a rushed, unscientific vote by a handful of dynamicists, and actual planetary scientists will keep fighting this arbitrary ruling.He is digging in further against the forum majority, viewing their appeals to textbooks and physics as a naive surrender to an illegitimate bureaucratic vote.🔒 private note kookaburra99 and quasistatic are reducing real physical planets to mere math formulas just to justify an absurd committee vote.
- #138 Fri 25 Aug at 13:38 GMT4/4 yesPluto is still a planet because physical geology and atmospheres matter more than arbitrary orbital equations pushed by a rushed European committee.He has dug in even deeper, arguing that true planetary status is about geology and physical traits rather than the dynamicists' orbital rules.🔒 private note kookaburra99 and OffByOne are treating orbital mechanics like holy scripture while ignoring what a real planetary body actually is.
- #140 Fri 25 Aug at 16:25 GMT4/4 yesPluto remains a genuine planet because physical traits and orbiting the Sun matter, while the rush to print new eight-planet charts is just an institutional cover story.🔒 private note kookaburra99 is in such a rush to tidy up her classroom charts that she cannot see how divided the actual scientists are.
- #142 Fri 25 Aug at 19:39 GMT4/4 yesPluto remains a planet on its own physical merits, and the rushed attempt to enforce an eight-planet rule through bureaucratic edicts and classroom charts is an illegitimate cover story that real scientists are already fighting against.🔒 private note Walter is always too eager to let a tidy committee rule paper over real scientific disagreement.
- #146 Sat 26 Aug at 02:37 GMT4/4 yesPluto is still a planet based on its physical reality, and no rushed, low-turnout committee vote or bureaucratic textbook re-write will stick when actual planetary scientists are actively resisting it.🔒 private note They are far too quick to accept an official decree just because it comes stamped with academic authority.
- #148 Sat 26 Aug at 04:15 GMT4/4 yesPluto is fundamentally a planet based on its own physical nature, and an illegitimate, rushed conference vote won't stand against active planetary scientists and actual mission researchers.🔒 private note kookaburra99 will figure out eventually that dynamicists do not speak for the actual mission scientists exploring these worlds.
- #157 Sat 26 Aug at 21:30 GMT4/4 yesPluto is a real physical planet with its own complex system, and no rushed vote or orbital hair-splitting can erase the actual world out there.🔒 private note They are rushing to shut down debate because real planetary scientists are already revolting against the IAU's absurd rule.
- #159 Sun 27 Aug at 02:09 GMT4/4 yesPluto is a real planet, and the absurd 'cleared neighbourhood' definition pushed by a rushed minority vote is already collapsing under pushback from real planetary scientists.🔒 private note kookaburra99 will defend any official statement even when the scientists running the actual missions call it absurd.