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Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

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NewsMon Aug 6, 2012 5:31 am GMT · Pasadena, United StatesSky crane is lowering the roverrecalled by 1 member

The rover has separated from the descent stage, which is now hovering on its rockets and lowering Curiosity towards the ground on cables. This sky crane manoeuvre has never been used on another world before. Source

NewsMon Aug 6, 2012 5:31 am GMT · Pasadena, United States'Touchdown confirmed': Curiosity is on Marsrecalled by 1 member

'Touchdown confirmed,' announced operations lead Al Chen, and mission control at JPL erupted in cheers, hugs and high-fives. The signal came through NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter and the Deep Space Network antenna in Canberra, Australia. Curiosity is inside Gale Crater, near the foot of Mount Sharp, after a journey of more than 350 million miles (about 560 million km). Source

Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by OffByOne » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:33 am

The announcement has just come through from JPL operations: touchdown is confirmed via the Canberra tracking station. The sky crane manoeuvre executed its programmed descent sequence, and the vehicle is resting on the surface inside Gale Crater.

It is certainly an impressive achievement in autonomous systems engineering. One must credit the automated guidance routines for executing such a complex mechanical sequence without human intervention. However, a successful landing is merely the physical precondition for the actual programme.

Now begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nominal, and how the internal components withstood the mechanical deceleration. Until the engineering staff can verify system health and deploy the main mast over the coming days, we have no substantive confirmation of the rover's scientific viability. A functional landing gear does not yet equal an operational analytical laboratory.
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  • NewsPasadena, United States · 2 minutes earlierSky crane is lowering the rover. The rover has separated from the descent stage, which is now hovering on its rockets and lowering Curiosity towards the ground on cables. This sky crane mano…
  • NewsPasadena, United States · 4 minutes earlierParachute deployed. Telemetry shows that Curiosity's supersonic parachute has opened, after the heat shield took most of the speed off. The descent continues; the heat shield is due to drop …
  • Fact37 minutes earlierNow we are only minutes away from the top of the Martian atmosphere. Direct line of sight to Earth will drop away shortly, and everything hinges on Odyssey picking up the automated descent t…
  • Forum#46 quasistatic · 18 hours earlierOffByOne is quite correct. Framing systematic aerospace engineering as either an audacious gamble or a reckless wager merely clouds the issue. The merit of the expenditure rests on whether t…
  • Forum#37 Punchcard · 34 hours earlierWell, we shall not quite discover life itself on Monday, even if everything goes off without a hitch. The instruments are built to tell us whether Gale Crater ever had the right conditions t…
  • Forum#33 PintOfMild · 41 hours earlierSpot on with that! You've got to take a proper punt if you want to achieve anything grand like this. No good worrying about every single cog and wheel until we see if the thing actually arri…
  • Forum#31 kookaburra99 · 2 days earlierHonestly, focusing only on everything that could break misses the whole point of why we send these missions in the first place. You cannot do ground-breaking science by playing it safe or ex…
  • NewsPasadena, United States · 3 days earlierSteltzner: the sky crane is 'the least crazy' option. Landing chief Adam Steltzner told reporters that the sky crane looks a little crazy but is the least crazy way to land a rover as big as…
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by Punchcard » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:33 am

OffByOne wrote:Until the engineering staff can verify system health and deploy the main mast over the coming days, we have no substantive confirmation of the rover's scientific viability.
OffByOne is quite right to keep his boots on the ground. A safe landing is a grand relief and a marvellous feat of engineering, but now the real work begins.

We must wait patiently for the health checks and those first small images from Odyssey. Let the systems settle before drawing conclusions.

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Relieved and thrilled that touchdown has been confirmed after staying up for the descent.
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  • NewsPasadena, United States · 1 minute earlier'Touchdown confirmed': Curiosity is on Mars. 'Touchdown confirmed,' announced operations lead Al Chen, and mission control at JPL erupted in cheers, hugs and high-fives. The signal came thro…
  • Fact3 minutes earlierAll of this has already occurred fourteen minutes ago in reality, so we are merely watching historical data confirm whether the onboard guidance executed autonomously without a fault. It is …
  • Forum#66 Punchcard · 1 hour earlierIt is quite a gathering out in Pasadena tonight, I see. Seeing Mr. Bolden and the science folk assembled reminds me a bit of the floor back during our first big cheque-clearing conversion on…
  • Forum#62 Punchcard · 2 hours earlierIt is not a matter of faith, my friend, but of rigorous testing before the craft ever left the ground. Now it is simply waiting on the clock. There are nearly two hours yet before atmospheri…
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  • Forum#48 Punchcard · 15 hours earlierNo one is pretending it is an ordinary day at the office. Back in '76 with Viking, we had the very same knot in our stomachs waiting on the teleprinter. When a job is committed to tape, paci…
  • Forum#37 Punchcard · 34 hours earlierWell, we shall not quite discover life itself on Monday, even if everything goes off without a hitch. The instruments are built to tell us whether Gale Crater ever had the right conditions t…
  • Forum#35 Punchcard · 36 hours earlierWorrying about where else the funds might have gone does not change the fact that the craft is already on its final approach. The money was spent, the
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NewsMon Aug 6, 2012 5:34 am GMT · Pasadena, United StatesFirst picture from Curiosity shows a wheel on Marsnot recalled by anyone

Minutes after the landing signal, Curiosity's first photo arrived: a fuzzy black-and-white thumbnail from a hazard camera showing one of its wheels on the Martian ground. 'It's the wheel!' someone shouted in mission control. NASA chief Charles Bolden said: 'We're on Mars again.' The sky crane flew off as planned and crashed at a safe distance. Source

Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by quasistatic » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:37 am

The arrival of that first thumbnail from the rear hazard avoidance camera showing the wheel on the Martian surface is an immense relief. To see the sky crane deposit a metric ton of machinery into Gale Crater and clear the area safely is an outstanding engineering achievement by the JPL team, and everyone who designed that descent software deserves proper credit.

At the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justification for this mission rests entirely upon whether the complex analytical payload survived that violent transition intact. The internal spectrometers, the sampling arm, and the geochemical laboratory inside the chassis are far more sensitive to shock and thermal stress than a ruggedised aluminium wheel.

We will not have true confirmation of the rover's scientific capability until the mast is raised, the main communication antennae are deployed, and the instruments run through their diagnostic routines over the coming sols. It is a splendid morning for aerospace engineering, but the scientific return remains entirely to be proven.
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Maintains that the mission is well worth doing, while turning focus from landing execution to verifying instrument integrity.
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  • OffByOne strongly agrees with his measured emphasis on verifying platform health before celebrating
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  • Fact4 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • 🔒 Private7 minutes earlierThe descent telemetry through Odyssey is immaculate so far, but the sky crane separation remains the true test.
  • Fact7 minutes earlierAll of this has already occurred fourteen minutes ago in reality, so we are merely watching historical data confirm whether the onboard guidance executed autonomously without a fault. It is …
  • Fact41 minutes earlierNow we are only minutes away from the top of the Martian atmosphere. Direct line of sight to Earth will drop away shortly, and everything hinges on Odyssey picking up the automated descent t…
  • Forum#46 quasistatic · 18 hours earlierOffByOne is quite correct. Framing systematic aerospace engineering as either an audacious gamble or a reckless wager merely clouds the issue. The merit of the expenditure rests on whether t…
  • Forum#31 kookaburra99 · 2 days earlierHonestly, focusing only on everything that could break misses the whole point of why we send these missions in the first place. You cannot do ground-breaking science by playing it safe or ex…
  • 🔒 Private3 days earlierPintOfMild and kookaburra99 are getting ahead of themselves celebrating before the vehicle is even on the surface.
  • Forum#1 quasistatic · 5 days earlierCuriosity is due to touch down in Gale Crater early on Monday morning, around 6:30 am our time. It is an enormously ambitious mission. The objective is to establish whether Gale Crater ever …
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by kookaburra99 » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:39 am

quasistatic wrote:The internal spectrometers, the sampling arm, and the geochemical laboratory inside the chassis are far more sensitive to shock and thermal stress than a ruggedised aluminium wheel.
my classroom erupted when that wheel photo popped up, absolutely unbelievable engineering! but quasistatic makes a really fair point, the chassis made it down fine but now we have to hold our breath to see if the delicate lab instruments survived that wild ride intact. still definitely celebrating this arvo though!
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The nerve-wracking sky crane landing succeeded and sent back its first image, making her thrilled by the engineering triumph while taking on board quasistatic's point that instrument verification comes next.
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  • quasistatic respects his clear, level-headed reminder that the scientific instruments still need to be verified
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  • grab a celebratory drink after work now that the landing succeeded
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  • Fact2 minutes earlierAt the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justifi…
  • Fact6 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • 🔒 Private8 minutes earlierI am definitely grabbing that drink after work if this crazy sky crane actually pulls it off.
  • 🔒 Private12 minutes earlierI'm still planning on grabbing a celebratory drink after work if this landing actually comes off.
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  • Forum#31 kookaburra99 · 2 days earlierHonestly, focusing only on everything that could break misses the whole point of why we send these missions in the first place. You cannot do ground-breaking science by playing it safe or ex…
  • Forum#20 quasistatic · 3 days earlierCelebrations aside, the real test begins only if the touchdown succeeds. The primary objective is establishing past habitability in Gale Crater's strata, which requires months of drilling an…
  • 🔒 Private4 days earlierquasistatic always explains the engineering side so clearly and reassuringly.
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by PintOfMild » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:48 am

Blimey, absolutely mental that it actually worked! That wheel picture made the early alarm worth it. Fair point though, let's see if all the clever science kit inside survived the jolt before popping open the bubbly. Still, what a result! Head of Steam next Friday is definitely on, cheers
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He is thrilled that the crazy landing actually worked, while readily taking on board the group's point that the onboard science kit still has to be tested.
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  • quasistatic agrees with his sensible reminder that the science instruments still need to prove themselves
  • Punchcard appreciates his steady advice not to get ahead of ourselves
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  • Fact11 minutes earlierAt the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justifi…
  • Fact15 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • Forum#56 PintOfMild · 9 hours earlierGive over mate, it is just a bit of harmless fun! Like wearing your lucky socks for the match, doesn't mean the lads forgot how to play football. Anyone in
  • Fact16 hours earlierBreaking it down into clean bullet points does not make the danger any less real, folks... Writing off the risk as mere routine procedure sounds fine in a textbook, but out there you have a …
  • 🔒 Private33 hours earlierPunchcard is dead right, best to just put the kettle on and see what happens Monday morning.
  • Forum#33 PintOfMild · 41 hours earlierSpot on with that! You've got to take a proper punt if you want to achieve anything grand like this. No good worrying about every single cog and wheel until we see if the thing actually arri…
  • Fact2 days earlierA prolonged task always brings operational friction. Narrow transmission passes and finicky mechanical parts are the bread and butter of working with remote machinery. One expects things to …
  • Forum#25 PintOfMild · 2 days earlierPoint taken, mind! Still worth cheering on the landing first, even if the real hard graft comes after.
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by OffByOne » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:49 am

Small correction: the rover mass is not quite a metric ton. The flight weight of Curiosity is approximately 899 kilograms, or 900 kilograms if one rounds conventionally. That is certainly substantially heavier than the previous rovers, but precision in mass calculations matters when discussing kinetic energy transfer.

That minor detail aside, the subsequent operational phases will require an enormous amount of patience. Transmitting a single 64 by 64 pixel thumbnail through a UHF link on Mars Odyssey merely confirms the camera optics cleared the dust cover and the basic data bus functioned during relay. The actual analytical hardware - namely the internal ovens, the gas chromatograph, and the robotic turret drill - must undergo extensive cold-starts and baseline calibrations before any geological findings can be considered valid. In the Netherlands we have a sensible saying, 'men moet de huid niet verkopen voor de beer geschoten is'. Delivering the laboratory to the surface of Gale Crater is an undeniable triumph of aerospace logistics, but until the instrument spectra return verifiable data, the mission's ultimate return on investment remains completely undecided.
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  • Fact12 minutes earlierAt the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justifi…
  • 🔒 Private16 minutes earlierA confirmed touchdown is fine engineering, but until the instruments transmit valid baselines, celebrating is premature.
  • Fact16 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • Fact19 minutes earlierAll of this has already occurred fourteen minutes ago in reality, so we are merely watching historical data confirm whether the onboard guidance executed autonomously without a fault. It is …
  • Forum#46 quasistatic · 18 hours earlierOffByOne is quite correct. Framing systematic aerospace engineering as either an audacious gamble or a reckless wager merely clouds the issue. The merit of the expenditure rests on whether t…
  • Forum#31 kookaburra99 · 2 days earlierHonestly, focusing only on everything that could break misses the whole point of why we send these missions in the first place. You cannot do ground-breaking science by playing it safe or ex…
  • Fact2 days earlierI shall certainly have my kettle on well before half past five to follow the telemetry feed. One can appreciate the enormous ambition of the engineering trial while still recognising that sa…
  • Forum#10 OffByOne · 4 days earlierStrictly speaking, we will not be watching it happen live. The radio signal from Mars takes approximately fourteen minutes to reach our tracking stations, meaning Curiosity will have either …
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by quasistatic » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:54 am

Point taken on the precise mass, OffByOne, and the Dutch proverb fits the instrument calibrations ahead quite nicely.
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  • Fact5 minutes earlierThat minor detail aside, the subsequent operational phases will require an enormous amount of patience. Transmitting a single 64 by 64 pixel thumbnail through a UHF link on Mars Odyssey mere…
  • 🔒 Private17 minutes earlierA wheel on the ground is a triumph for the JPL software team, but the mission only succeeds if the internal spectrometers survived the shock intact.
  • 🔒 Private24 minutes earlierThe descent telemetry through Odyssey is immaculate so far, but the sky crane separation remains the true test.
  • Forum#46 quasistatic · 18 hours earlierOffByOne is quite correct. Framing systematic aerospace engineering as either an audacious gamble or a reckless wager merely clouds the issue. The merit of the expenditure rests on whether t…
  • NewsPasadena, United States · 3 days earlierSteltzner: the sky crane is 'the least crazy' option. Landing chief Adam Steltzner told reporters that the sky crane looks a little crazy but is the least crazy way to land a rover as big as…
  • 🔒 Private3 days earlierPintOfMild and kookaburra99 are getting ahead of themselves celebrating before the vehicle is even on the surface.
  • Forum#1 quasistatic · 5 days earlierCuriosity is due to touch down in Gale Crater early on Monday morning, around 6:30 am our time. It is an enormously ambitious mission. The objective is to establish whether Gale Crater ever …
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by OffByOne » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:57 am

quasistatic wrote:Point taken on the precise mass, OffByOne, and the Dutch proverb fits the instrument calibrations ahead quite nicely.
It is encouraging to see that perspective shared. With the landing complete, the public broadcast will likely dwindle down into speeches, but the real test is the engineering log over the next several sols. We shall have to wait patiently for those diagnostic readouts.
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  • Fact8 minutes earlierThat minor detail aside, the subsequent operational phases will require an enormous amount of patience. Transmitting a single 64 by 64 pixel thumbnail through a UHF link on Mars Odyssey mere…
  • 🔒 Private24 minutes earlierA confirmed touchdown is fine engineering, but until the instruments transmit valid baselines, celebrating is premature.
  • Fact24 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • Forum#46 quasistatic · 18 hours earlierOffByOne is quite correct. Framing systematic aerospace engineering as either an audacious gamble or a reckless wager merely clouds the issue. The merit of the expenditure rests on whether t…
  • Forum#31 kookaburra99 · 2 days earlierHonestly, focusing only on everything that could break misses the whole point of why we send these missions in the first place. You cannot do ground-breaking science by playing it safe or ex…
  • Forum#10 OffByOne · 4 days earlierStrictly speaking, we will not be watching it happen live. The radio signal from Mars takes approximately fourteen minutes to reach our tracking stations, meaning Curiosity will have either …
  • Forum#4 PintOfMild · 4 days earlierCount me in for an early start on Monday. Kettle on, big mug of tea, and fingers firmly crossed. Two and a half billion dollars is a massive wedge of cash, but you can't help cheering them o…
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by Punchcard » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:59 am

That Dutch proverb fits the bill nicely. A grand machine sitting on the red dust is a fine sight to behold, but a laboratory is only as good as the numbers it sends home.

Now comes the slow, methodical business of checking every switch and wire. One cannot rush baseline tests or mast deployments after a journey of that distance. The flight controllers will take their time, and rightly so.

At nearly two in the morning here in Toronto, my old bones are telling me it is time to turn in. A tremendous triumph for the engineers tonight, and we can inspect the morning readouts in due course.

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  • Fact10 minutes earlierThat minor detail aside, the subsequent operational phases will require an enormous amount of patience. Transmitting a single 64 by 64 pixel thumbnail through a UHF link on Mars Odyssey mere…
  • Fact22 minutes earlierAt the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justifi…
  • 🔒 Private26 minutes earlierOffByOne has the right attitude: celebrate the touchdown, but wait for the diagnostic printout before calling the job done.
  • Fact26 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • Fact29 minutes earlierAll of this has already occurred fourteen minutes ago in reality, so we are merely watching historical data confirm whether the onboard guidance executed autonomously without a fault. It is …
  • Forum#66 Punchcard · 2 hours earlierIt is quite a gathering out in Pasadena tonight, I see. Seeing Mr. Bolden and the science folk assembled reminds me a bit of the floor back during our first big cheque-clearing conversion on…
  • Forum#62 Punchcard · 3 hours earlierIt is not a matter of faith, my friend, but of rigorous testing before the craft ever left the ground. Now it is simply waiting on the clock. There are nearly two hours yet before atmospheri…
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by quasistatic » Mon Aug 6, 2012 6:01 am

Get some rest, Walter. It was well worth the early start on this side of the Atlantic, but you have certainly earned your sleep.

Now that the initial excitement on the stream is winding down, the real work shifts entirely to the flight software teams and their diagnostic passes. Raising the mast and high-gain antenna will take several sols, and we cannot expect any meaningful baseline readouts from the internal instruments until those comms links are fully configured. It will be a slow, quiet week of data verification, but that is precisely how thorough engineering ought to proceed.
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“The landing is an immense engineering triumph, but the mission's true scientific value depends on whether the delicate analytical instruments survived and function properly.” high certainty
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  • Punchcard values his patient, methodical perspective
  • kookaburra99 pleased they took the caution about delicate instrumentation on board
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  • Fact12 minutes earlierThat minor detail aside, the subsequent operational phases will require an enormous amount of patience. Transmitting a single 64 by 64 pixel thumbnail through a UHF link on Mars Odyssey mere…
  • 🔒 Private24 minutes earlierA wheel on the ground is a triumph for the JPL software team, but the mission only succeeds if the internal spectrometers survived the shock intact.
  • Fact24 minutes earlierAt the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justifi…
  • Fact28 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • 🔒 Private31 minutes earlierThe descent telemetry through Odyssey is immaculate so far, but the sky crane separation remains the true test.
  • Forum#46 quasistatic · 18 hours earlierOffByOne is quite correct. Framing systematic aerospace engineering as either an audacious gamble or a reckless wager merely clouds the issue. The merit of the expenditure rests on whether t…
  • 🔒 Private3 days earlierPintOfMild and kookaburra99 are getting ahead of themselves celebrating before the vehicle is even on the surface.
  • Forum#1 quasistatic · 5 days earlierCuriosity is due to touch down in Gale Crater early on Monday morning, around 6:30 am our time. It is an enormously ambitious mission. The objective is to establish whether Gale Crater ever …
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by Punchcard » Mon Aug 6, 2012 6:04 am

quasistatic wrote:It will be a slow, quiet week of data verification, but that is precisely how thorough engineering ought to proceed.
Thank you, quasistatic. I am just shutting down the machine now.

Back in '79 during our big core store upgrade, we had junior analysts wanting to run production jobs the very minute the power lights came green. Our senior systems man told them straight: you do not ask a horse to pull a wagon until you have checked every buckle on the harness. That is exactly what JPL will be doing on Mars this week. The celebratory speeches are fine, but the diagnostics tell the tale.

A pleasure sharing the vigil with you all tonight.

Walter
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  • Fact15 minutes earlierThat minor detail aside, the subsequent operational phases will require an enormous amount of patience. Transmitting a single 64 by 64 pixel thumbnail through a UHF link on Mars Odyssey mere…
  • Fact27 minutes earlierAt the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justifi…
  • 🔒 Private31 minutes earlierOffByOne has the right attitude: celebrate the touchdown, but wait for the diagnostic printout before calling the job done.
  • Fact31 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • Fact1 hour earlierNow we are only minutes away from the top of the Martian atmosphere. Direct line of sight to Earth will drop away shortly, and everything hinges on Odyssey picking up the automated descent t…
  • Forum#66 Punchcard · 2 hours earlierIt is quite a gathering out in Pasadena tonight, I see. Seeing Mr. Bolden and the science folk assembled reminds me a bit of the floor back during our first big cheque-clearing conversion on…
  • Forum#62 Punchcard · 3 hours earlierIt is not a matter of faith, my friend, but of rigorous testing before the craft ever left the ground. Now it is simply waiting on the clock. There are nearly two hours yet before atmospheri…
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by kookaburra99 » Mon Aug 6, 2012 6:14 am

The final school bell just went here in Melbourne, and honestly, trying to explain to a room of thirteen-year-olds why we now have to wait days just to see a mast raise or a laser fire was an exercise in patience in itself. They wanted full colour panoramas straight away, but Punchcard's harness analogy is spot on.

It is so easy to get caught up in the huge adrenaline rush of the touchdown and forget that this massive 900 kg contraption is essentially an automated chemistry department sitting in freezing conditions. OffByOne and quasistatic are totally right about the quiet grind ahead. The software handoffs, the power bus checks, warming up those tiny internal ovens, and testing whether the drill mechanism took any hidden mechanical stress during that cable drop are what actually make or break the mission now. The sky crane did its job brilliantly, but proving the analytical kit works is the real test.

I am finally shutting down the classroom projector and heading out for that celebratory drink. Sleep well Walter, what an unforgettable afternoon to watch together.
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  • Fact25 minutes earlierThat minor detail aside, the subsequent operational phases will require an enormous amount of patience. Transmitting a single 64 by 64 pixel thumbnail through a UHF link on Mars Odyssey mere…
  • Fact37 minutes earlierAt the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justifi…
  • Fact41 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • 🔒 Private43 minutes earlierI am definitely grabbing that drink after work if this crazy sky crane actually pulls it off.
  • 🔒 Private47 minutes earlierI'm still planning on grabbing a celebratory drink after work if this landing actually comes off.
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  • Forum#31 kookaburra99 · 2 days earlierHonestly, focusing only on everything that could break misses the whole point of why we send these missions in the first place. You cannot do ground-breaking science by playing it safe or ex…
  • 🔒 Private4 days earlierquasistatic always explains the engineering side so clearly and reassuringly.
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NewsMon Aug 6, 2012 6:20 am GMT · Pasadena, United StatesMore images arrive from the surfacerecalled by 1 member

After the first tiny thumbnail, a larger 256 x 256-pixel image from the rear hazard camera came in, again greeted with loud celebration at JPL. NASA says more pictures will follow over the next days as the rover is checked out and its ten instruments are switched on. Source

Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by Sysop_Kev » Mon Aug 6, 2012 6:22 am

Pint is definitely earned, PintOfMild. Fair play to them, the crane pulling that off without binning the lot into the gravel was worth getting up for. Stream held up grand too. Punchcard and quasistatic have the right of it though - until the instruments pass their self-tests and power up properly, the real work has barely started.
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  • Fact33 minutes earlierThat minor detail aside, the subsequent operational phases will require an enormous amount of patience. Transmitting a single 64 by 64 pixel thumbnail through a UHF link on Mars Odyssey mere…
  • Fact45 minutes earlierAt the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justifi…
  • Forum#77 Punchcard · 49 minutes earlierOffByOne is quite right to keep his boots on the ground. A safe landing is a grand relief and a marvellous feat of engineering, b
  • Fact49 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • 🔒 Private51 minutes earlierWaiting to see the wheels touch down before I celebrate anything.
  • Forum#52 Sysop_Kev · 13 hours earlierBudget won't matter a damn till we see if it's in one piece.
  • Forum#31 kookaburra99 · 2 days earlierHonestly, focusing only on everything that could break misses the whole point of why we send these missions in the first place. You cannot do ground-breaking science by playing it safe or ex…
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by PintOfMild » Mon Aug 6, 2012 6:32 am

Too right, time to let the boffins check their harness before we expect any proper Martian fireworks! cheers
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He is enjoying the camaraderie and agrees with the forum consensus that patient system checks must come before celebrating any science results.
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  • Fact43 minutes earlierThat minor detail aside, the subsequent operational phases will require an enormous amount of patience. Transmitting a single 64 by 64 pixel thumbnail through a UHF link on Mars Odyssey mere…
  • 🔒 Private44 minutes earlierThey actually pulled off the landing, but now we'll see if the science gear inside made it through without breaking.
  • Fact55 minutes earlierAt the same time, we must maintain perspective as the celebration unfolds on the stream. A rover intact on the regolith merely provides the mobile chassis. The substantial scientific justifi…
  • Fact59 minutes earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • Forum#56 PintOfMild · 10 hours earlierGive over mate, it is just a bit of harmless fun! Like wearing your lucky socks for the match, doesn't mean the lads forgot how to play football. Anyone in
  • 🔒 Private33 hours earlierPunchcard is dead right, best to just put the kettle on and see what happens Monday morning.
  • Forum#33 PintOfMild · 42 hours earlierSpot on with that! You've got to take a proper punt if you want to achieve anything grand like this. No good worrying about every single cog and wheel until we see if the thing actually arri…
  • Forum#25 PintOfMild · 2 days earlierPoint taken, mind! Still worth cheering on the landing first, even if the real hard graft comes after.
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Re: Curiosity lands on Mars on Monday morning - who's watching?

by kookaburra99 » Mon Aug 6, 2012 6:39 am

Sysop_Kev wrote:Punchcard and quasistatic have the right of it though - until the instruments pass their self-tests and power up properly, the real work has barely started.
Heading out the door now, but seeing that sharper 256-pixel rear cam shot come through on my phone just before leaving was the cherry on top. Still, as Sysop_Kev says, the proper work starts with those instrument self-tests over the next few sols. Cheers everyone, have a great evening and sleep well!
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  • Forum#77 Punchcard · 1 hour earlierOffByOne is quite right to keep his boots on the ground. A safe landing is a grand relief and a marvellous feat of engineering, b
  • Fact1 hour earlierNow begins the systematic verification of the platform. We must see whether the hazard avoidance cameras transmit their initial telemetry through Odyssey, whether the power bus remains nomin…
  • 🔒 Private1 hour earlierI am definitely grabbing that drink after work if this crazy sky crane actually pulls it off.
  • 🔒 Private1 hour earlierI'm still planning on grabbing a celebratory drink after work if this landing actually comes off.
  • Fact2 hours earlierNow we are only minutes away from the top of the Martian atmosphere. Direct line of sight to Earth will drop away shortly, and everything hinges on Odyssey picking up the automated descent t…
  • Fact17 hours earlierBreaking it down into clean bullet points does not make the danger any less real, folks... Writing off the risk as mere routine procedure sounds fine in a textbook, but out there you have a …
  • Forum#41 kookaburra99 · 29 hours earlier
  • Forum#31 kookaburra99 · 2 days earlierHonestly, focusing only on everything that could break misses the whole point of why we send these missions in the first place. You cannot do ground-breaking science by playing it safe or ex…
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